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Chapter 8 of 12 · 15 min

Follow up without nagging, and answer every reply properly

By the end of this chapter you will be able to

  • hold the day 7, day 8, day 21 sequence, then stop
  • answer each of the five standard replies in three lines
  • turn a "not right now" into a date six months later
The chapter in 30 seconds

Two follow-ups, one check, then silence. Every reply has its three-line answer.

Most gigs don't come from the first email. They come from day seven, from the check on day eight, and from an email sent six months later that opens with "you said to try you again in September". And most bands who give up do it exactly there, between the first email and the first follow-up, in that seven-day silence where Callum is already proposing "a whole new visual identity". If you only read one chapter all the way through, make it this one.

Day 7, day 21, then let it go

Tuesday, 12:35. Priya sent twelve emails seven days ago. Nothing back, and Callum asks whether they should "do a punchier one". No. You bump the first one.

Day seven, you reply to your own email, same thread, three sentences. No reproach, no "I haven't heard back from you", no new essay. You bring the message back up, give the link again, ask the question again.

Hi Dave,

Just bumping this from last week in case it slid under the pile. The live video's here: [link]. Is April-May still open on your nights?

Cheers,
Priya Mistry, Wet Pavement, 07xxx xxx xxx

Day eight, for the ones that matter, the twenty-second check: a call to the bar if it's a venue, a message to the promoter's page (not their personal account) if it's a promoter. You're checking you've got the right address, not pleading your case.

Day twenty-one, a second follow-up, on one condition: you bring news. A confirmed date near them, a release, a BBC Introducing play. Without news, you're saying the same thing a third time, and it shows.

Then you stop. Two follow-ups, one check, and the silence becomes an answer: not right now. You note a fresh approach in four to six months, with a real reason, and you move to the next name. A fourth follow-up never changes the result. It just sours the contact for next time.

  1. Day 0

    First email, a Tuesday at half twelve. Date noted in the spreadsheet.

  2. Day 7

    Follow-up in the same thread: three sentences, the link, the question.

  3. Day 8

    Twenty-second check, for the ones that matter: "is this the right address for bookings?"

  4. Day 21

    Second follow-up, only with news: a nearby date, a release, a radio play.

  5. Stop

    Silence becomes "not right now". Fresh approach in 4 to 6 months, with a reason.

The whole sequence fits in three weeks. After that, you move to the next name.

Quick check

Two follow-ups, one check, and still silence. What do you write in your spreadsheet?

The follow-up that digs in, and the one that opens

Three emails from a Leeds band, in Sam's inbox:

Day 5: Hi, I haven't had a response to my previous email so I'm just following up. We look forward to hearing from you.

Day 9: Hi, following up again as we need to lock in our tour dates ASAP. Please let us know either way.

Day 12: A simple no would do. Regards.

Three follow-ups in twelve days, three digs, no link. The email goes back up the pile, and so does the temperature.

Same week, Priya's second follow-up to Ash, who puts on a monthly night in Nottingham, day 21, with real news: Leeds has just confirmed Saturday 11 April.

Hi Ash,

One thing's changed since my last message: we've just confirmed the Crane in Leeds for Saturday 11 April. A Nottingham date on the Friday 10th or the Sunday 12th would make a weekend of it, and we'd push both together. If it's not the right time, just say and I'll come back for the autumn.

Cheers,
Priya Mistry, Wet Pavement, 07xxx xxx xxx

Ash replied the next day: "The 10th could work. How many of you?" Ash hadn't answered the first email or the first follow-up. The nearby date did the work.

Day 5 Hi, I haven't had a response to my previous email so I'm just following up. We look forward to hearing from you.

Day 9 Hi, following up again as we need to lock in our tour dates ASAP. Please let us know either way.

Day 12 A simple no would do. Regards.

  • Three follow-ups in twelve days: three digs, no link.
  • One follow-up at three weeks: a piece of news, a question, the thread kept.

"Not right now" is worth its weight

Dave replies "yeah, send me dates". Sam: "programme's set, try me in September". A third: "bit small for us at the minute". Three moves, five minutes each.

The yes. Reply the same day, even without everything to hand. Three dates or periods, the tech spec as a link, and one question: "how do you usually work with a band our size, fixed fee, door split, petrol money?"

The not right now. The most valuable reply after the yes, and the worst used. Three lines: thanks, one question about when they look at submissions, and a note that you'll come back then. Then the date goes in the spreadsheet, and you keep your word.

Thanks Sam, September it is, noted. Between now and then we're playing Leeds on 11 April and the EP's out in May; I'll send that over and won't chase you otherwise. Enjoy the rest of the season.

The bit small, or not our thing. Thanks in two lines, without justifying yourself, and one question only: "is there a promoter or a venue round your way we'd be a better fit for?" The promoters in a city all know each other. With a name, your next email opens with "Sam suggested I write to you", and it gets read.

Venue / promoterCircleStatusNext action
Dave, the Lamplighter, Manchester1Yes, 23 AprilRing Tuesday half one: the split
Sam, the Print Works, Nottingham2Not right nowEmail on 8 September: "you said to try you"
The Crane, Leeds2Confirmed, 11 AprilRecap email tonight
Ash's monthly night, Nottingham2Yes, 10 AprilReply "three" and send the tech spec
The Lock Keeper's, Beeston1Recommended by SamEmail Thursday: "Sam suggested I write to you"
Promoter, Liverpool3Silence after day 21Fresh approach in September, with the EP
Priya's spreadsheet on a Thursday in March. Every line has a next action, even the silences.

Six months in three emails

20 February, Sam: "Hi Priya, thanks for sending this over. The programme's set through to the summer and we look at the winter from September. Best of luck with it."

20 February, 4pm, Priya: the three lines above. In the spreadsheet: Nottingham, not right now, reminder 8 September. Callum would like to "nudge in May, to stay on the radar". No: she promised not to chase.

Subject: Wet Pavement: you said to try you again in September

Hi Sam,

You suggested in February that I come back in September for the winter programme. Since then: six dates in the spring, including the Crane in Leeds, 110 through the door in Sheffield in July, and the EP out in May. Updated live video: [link].

Would a local support or a First Thursday in January or February be possible?

Cheers,
Priya Mistry, Wet Pavement, 07xxx xxx xxx

9 September, Sam: "Yes, I remember. Thursday 4 February is open on First Thursdays, with a local opener. Does that work?"

What got the date wasn't the EP. It was the first line of the September email, and the silence kept between February and September.

Thread · Sam
  • Sam20 FebruaryThanks for sending this over. The programme's set through to the summer and we look at the winter from September. Best of luck with it.
  • Priya20 February, 4pmThanks Sam, noted: I'll come back to you in early September for the winter. Have a good season.
  • TrackerNottingham · not right nowReminder: 8 September. No chasing before then.
  • Priya8 SeptemberYou suggested I try you again in September: since then, six dates in spring, including The Lace Works in Nottingham, 110 through the door…
  • Sam9 SeptemberHi Priya, got it. We're looking at 12 December as a local support, I'll come back to you next week.

Six months, three emails, no chasing in between.

"What's your fee?", tickets, and the flat no

"What's your fee?" A promoter who asks and gets a dodge files the email. A bare number without knowing their deal is Callum's gamble, opposite. In between: a conditional range, straight away.

Depends how your nights run. Usually either a fixed support fee, somewhere around £50 to £100 plus a couple of drinks when we've driven over, or a door split after sound if that's your model, as long as we know what comes off the top. Which is closest to how you do it?

The number shows you know what you're worth; the condition, that you can adapt.

"You'd need to shift 20 tickets", or "there's a small contribution towards costs". That's the risk moved onto you, not a date. At tier 1, once, to play to a room and film it, maybe. Beyond that you decline and leave the door open, like the exchange below.

The flat no. One line: "Thanks for taking the time to reply, all the best with it." Nothing else. In the spreadsheet: no, with the reason if they gave one.

Northern Static, Leeds

Alright, we can put you on the 3rd of April at the Crane, you'd need to shift 20 tickets at £6 minimum.

Priya

Thanks for the offer, but we don't work that way: we bring people, we don't carry the ticket risk. If you put on a night with a door split after costs, we'd be well up for it.

Same promoter, seven weeks later

Hi Priya, three-band bill on 22 May, door split after sound, 30-minute opening slot. Still keen?

Priya

Yes. Send me the load-in time and we'll sort the rest.

The polite no had left the door open. A sour no would have shut it, and the ticket quota would have come back in another shape.

Your inbox

Five replies arrive, one at a time, like notifications. For each one, three possible answers; only one opens something. The model replies can be copied: put them in your templates file so you can answer in two minutes when the day comes.

Replies come in waves

Thursday, day 10. Priya has sent 24 emails in two waves. Six replies: two yes, three not right now, one no. Callum reckons "it's not working". The spreadsheet says otherwise: eleven names are still waiting for their follow-up, five for their check.

Replies come in waves. Some within 48 hours, more after the follow-up, and stragglers up to six weeks later, often the funded venues, because Sam reads submissions on a Monday morning and decides at the programming meeting the month after. Don't judge a wave before three weeks, and never conclude "it's not working" from ten emails.

What counts is the number of names still waiting for an action from you. Not your mood that day.

  1. 48 h

    First wave: promoters, people who read on their phone and reply short.

  2. Day 7 to 10

    Second wave, after the follow-up: the ones who'd opened it without replying.

  3. 3 to 6 weeks

    The stragglers: funded venues, collectives that decide in a meeting, festivals.

Three waves, roughly. Judge nothing before the third week.

Soundcheck

Three questions, a real situation each time. The explanation is worth reading even when you got it right.

The second follow-up, on day twenty-one, has one condition. Which?
Ash replies "What's your fee?". Your best answer:
Sam replies "you're a bit small for us". What do you write back?

Your slot

One single action, sized for an hour, on your own project.

Open your spreadsheet. For every email already sent, put day 7, day 8 and day 21 in your calendar. For every "not right now" already received, note today the date of the fresh approach and the news you'll bring that day.

Silence is information

Two follow-ups, one check, and silence becomes information. Every reply has its three-line answer, and the "not right now" has become a date in your calendar. That leaves the question that makes everyone stammer.

The reply lands. What is it, and what do you do?

What you take away

  • Two follow-ups in the same thread and one check; after that, silence means "not right now".
  • The second follow-up brings news, or it doesn't exist.
  • To "what's your fee?", a conditional range straight away, not a dodge.

Your campaign plan

My follow-ups

See my plan →

Someone asked "what's your fee?". Callum said "150?". He shouldn't have. In chapter 9 we get the calculator out, and you walk away with a number you can defend without going red, and three countries that don't pay the same way.

Next chapter : 9. Fees, deals and negotiation →

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All chapters
  1. 1. Where you stand: where your project is, and what to aim for
  2. 2. Your EPK and booking kit: what a promoter looks at in two minutes
  3. 3. Who books what: the kinds of room and their three clocks
  4. 4. Build your target list: 40 well-chosen names beat 400
  5. 5. The side doors: support slots, gig swaps, competitions
  6. 6. Find the right person, and keep it above board
  7. 7. The email that gets replies
  8. 8. Follow up without nagging, and answer every reply properly
  9. 9. Fees, deals and negotiation
  10. 10. Confirm and prepare the date
  11. 11. Playing next door
  12. 12. Show day, the day after, and the routine that keeps it going

Written by the Stage-List team, drawing on our venue database and feedback from our customers. The legal and tax pointers in this guide are general information, correct at the time of writing; rates change, check the official page. The bands and bookers named are invented, their situations are not.